Difference Between Monism and Dualism | Difference Between | Monism vs Dualism
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Indeed if Reality were simple and obvious, rather than complex and requiring research, than would be great evidence for a uniform, simple monistic universe, which does not exist. Humans cannot exist and flourish in a complex, but unified universe unless they share that complex, but unified nature. It seems strange to me and to most people that some people can use their minds to declare that their minds so not exist.
Where we disagree is that I and most people, although truth is not based on majority rule, understand the Creator as Trinity, Three and One, which is back where we started, but at least we understand each other. That happens in my head. I understand that the majority of Christians have been taught and believe the Trinity is the best description of God.
However, the theology is not described as such by any biblical writer. That is what bothers me the most. Yes, Trinitarianism matured in the debates surrounding Arius, but the debates concerning the true nature of Jesus started between the Apostles and their fellow Jews, who could not accept that a human was the God of their ancestors.
These debates escalated with Paul teaching gentiles. Those people had no experience believing in One God, nor could they comprehend how a perfect and immortal God could become an imperfect mortal and die.
Christians came up with a huge number of explanations Docetism. These had to be addressed and rejected. However, not all were rejected, some solutions influenced Trinitarianism.
The primary influence separated Jesus from Father in more than just a physical way incarnate. History shows that once two gods were acceptable then they added Spirit. Demigods saints and angels quickly became standard to adore. The set up of heaven resembles Hermeticism, an influence of Gnosticism. Trust and allegiance segregated. The Bible bluntly says to worship and trust only the One God.
You are certainly correct. The Trinity is not depicted in the Bible. Clearly the Church has made its mind up long ago, so most of us think that Christ is the last name of Jesus, rather than the Greek form of Messiah. Most of us also do not really understand who the Jewish Messiah was. However the Jews have never accepted Jesus as their Messiah and this is why He was crucified.
Now the situation is this, the Messiah was not just an ordinary human being. In response to the question, "Who do you say I am? Peter says in Mt Jesus says that the Father and I are one. Throughout the gospels Jesus makes it clear that He is the Messiah and that He as the Messiah has extraordinary authority.
Also that the way to salvation is through faith in Jesus as the Messiah. Unfortunately there is no intermediate being between God and humans so Jesus was either God or human or now we see Jesus as fully God and full human.
Jewish theology could net accept this. Christian theology had to invent a new concept of God called the Trinity to take account of this. The message of Jesus is about change, not standing still or going backwards.
New wine, new revelations from God, requires new wineskins or new theology. Now you and I reject the adoration of Mary and the saints. Angels have been around since the OT. I really do not think that this is because of the Trinity.
In fact we have the Holy Spirit to bring messages from God, not angels any longer. I would suggest that you read a good history of the Trinity or On the Trinity by Augustine. It is based on a solid basis of facts and information from the Bible, not outside of it. All three Persons are clearly defined in the New and Old Testaments.
It is most strange that people want limit it to the Bible. I am enjoying our exchange as I have enjoyed many of your posts. Augustine and several other early theologians are on my very long list of round to its. But, most of them were already devoted Trinitarians who left too much of the Gnostic ideals in their theology.
I do not deny the divinity of Jesus or that He was the Messiah. But I take His statements in John 5: He and the Father are one in the same entity, only separated for the time Jesus was a human on earth. The ancient prophets always expressed that presence as God.
The Spirit is God working within our reality, no segregation needed. God lives inside us and whispers in our ears by using His Spirit.
What does Son of God mean? It eventually gave Him a separate personality. I take Deuteronomy The Jewish leaders should have used it as a test to see if Jesus was a prophet of God. Did the early church fathers know to do so with their theology? Trinitarianism did not get rid of adoration of any of these.
It did not get rid of mysticism or esoteric beliefs. The fact is these practices became standard beliefs and are still common within the church, both Catholic and Protestant. The Holy Spirit is not a replacement for angels. He will talk to us and guide us if we listen. That does not reject angels as messengers of God today.
All three persons are not clearly defined in the Old or New Testaments as they are defined by Trinitarianism. One must be a Trinitarian to see those examples. The theology was invented, then people found hidden messages to support the theology. That is esoteric, which contradicts Deuteronomy Or they lied about who God was. Neither should be trusted. Jesus did not say that He was one Entity with the Father. When you make the Messiah as the Son of God in Psalm 2 a generic son of God, you eliminate the Messianic aspect of this statement, so it becomes meaningless.
There is no way the Messiah can be the Father. There is no way the Logos can be the Father and have John 1: There is no way the Father could have sent the Father to die for the sins of the world. There is nothing in Deu You are using the logic of YEC. If Genesis is wrong, God is a liar. God dis not deny the Trinity in the OT.
It is in the first three verses of the Bible. That is the way God did it. That is the way we need to accept it. What acclaimed prophet of God pronounced this big change to the world? It was invented in increments, built up through arguments, until a generation proclaimed it dogma. Dogma is used to force compliance and condemn any who question. Is that how God reveals Himself? I believe Jesus, a Jew, would object.
He believed God revealed Himself and truth to the Jews John 4: Jesus believed the Jews would be punished because they did not believe what they were told. Why would God insist that the Jews worship only one God, punish them for not complying, and then reveal His true identity to gentiles after most of the Jews were separated from the Church?
I do not use YEC logic which is rarely logical. These are simply my questions and the solution I have formed to comply with biblical teachings. Everything is based on the premise that God created everything and that He can be trusted. That would include revelation from the Spirit. Why should we trust? This is not just law, but that truth should be simple. We do not need to go searching into other religions to find truth. God gave truth from the beginning in a simple enough form that even children could understand.
Religions like complicated theology esoteric as it provides status and job security. Jewish and Christian religions have done the same even though the prophets and Jesus taught against it.
The early Christian theologians accepted and incorporated non-Jewish beliefs as they invented Trinitarianism. God said He was One. That simplicity contradicts Trinitarian theology which requires institutions of theologians to unravel mysteries and find hidden messages. It is still being modified and is still difficult to explain.
The first three verses in the Bible do not reveal Trinity. Elohim was the Hebrew form of a word used throughout the Levant. It simply means gods, a plural. It does not mean three. Coupled with a singular noun, it becomes singular. The writer used this form to audaciously proclaim his God different and all other gods unnecessary. This same message is echoed by the prophets. Moses did not considered this structure to mean his God was plural.
Jesus never proclaimed that we should worship more than one. Only one is necessary. That is a statement of dogma not fact. Withholding basic information was not how God did anything. It has been accepted as truth far too long. Father and Son are One. How does that work? Jesus is the Messiah sent by God the Father to save the world, Jews and pagans from their sin and create a new Kingdom of God based not on the Mosaic covenant and law, but on faith and obedience to the Holy Spirit.
This is the new thing that God did through Jesus, redeem the world, not reveal the Trinity. Salvation drives theology, not the other way around. That has never changed. God is also Three, which is new but does not make a difference in Who God is, but how God works.
You said that Jesus was separated from the Father when He was in the flesh. Note that Jesus arose with a body and still has a body as far as we know to date. Is God changeable in that way? These are the questions that the Church Fathers asked, and they came to different conclusions from what you say.
I agree with them. The Trinity is complicated, or I prefer complex, because life and Reality is complex. People are complex as is nature, and thus do does Truth and God need to be complex. That has YEC written all over it. One is not necessarily simple. The OT demonstrates that God is personal, whi9ch means God is complex. We are personal, complex and unified beings with body, mind, and spirit, just as God is One and Three, unified and diverse.
I have no problem with this first paragraph, except that you do not see that Father Son and Spirit are the same. If God did not reveal the Trinity through Jesus, through whom did He reveal it? The new covenant was revealed to come. The kingdom was revealed to come. The Messiah was revealed to come. He is our example. As a human, He listened and obeyed the Father. This is how we should conduct our lives.
That does not give Jesus a separate identity, personality or action from the Father. God wants us to loose our selfish identity and put on Him, become one with Him. Salvation does not drive theology any more than theology drives salvation. Salvation did not change with the new covenant. Those things did not change.
God is still One. You state truth then contradict it with something God never claimed. God has never changed who He is or how He works. Human theology redefined who God was and segregated His works between.
Always has been, yet theology insists God requires us to believe in something illogical. Yes, the body of Jesus was kept. God is not separated from His creation. Why He did so was not explained. God can do anything, but Trinity does not sufficiently answer your questions.
Trinitarianism asserts that God was co-eternal, but never revealed this truth to any Jew, including the apostles.
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The body of Jesus had little or nothing to do with that belief since co-eternal means that Jesus existed before He had a body. Does God keep the body of Jesus eternally or is it only until the end of time? You agree with the Church Fathers because that is what your dogma tells you to believe. You are versed in the Christology that accompanies it.
Mind Body Debate
The body is about the physical aspects of the brain-neurons and how the brain is structured. The mind-body problem is about how these two interact. If they are distinct, then how do they interact? And which of the two is in charge? Many theories have been put forward to explain the relationship between what we call your mind defined as the conscious thinking 'you' which experiences your thoughts and your brain i.
However, the most common explanation concerns the question of whether the mind and body are separate or the same thing. Dualism Human beings are material objects. We have weight, solidity and consist of a variety of solids, liquids and gases.
However, unlike other material objects e. In short we have 'minds'. This is known as dualism. Dualism is the view that the mind and body both exist as separate entities. Descartes argued that the mind interacts with the body at the pineal gland. This form of dualism or duality proposes that the mind controls the body, but that the body can also influence the otherwise rational mind, such as when people act out of passion.
Most of the previous accounts of the relationship between mind and body had been uni-directional. Monism There are two basic types of monism: Mental processes can be identified with purely physical processes in the central nervous system, and that human beings are just complicated physiological organisms, no more than that. Ultimately, only mental objects i. Bishop Berkeley claimed that what we think of as our body is merely the perception of mind.Where Does Your Mind Reside?: Crash Course Philosophy #22
Before you reject this too rapidly consider the results of a recent study. Scientists asked three hemiplegic i. All three claimed, despite evidence to the contrary in the mirror in front of them, that they could move their right and left hands equally well.
Further, two of the three stroke victims claimed that an experimental stooge who faked paralysis i. Thinking having freedom of choice is a mental event, yet can cause behavior to occur muscles move in response to a thought. Thinking can therefore be said to make things happen, "mind moves matter".
Behaviorists believe that psychology should only be concerned with "observable actions", namely stimulus and response. They believe that thought processes such as the mind cannot be studied scientifically and objectively and should therefore be ignored. Radical behaviorists believe that the mind does not even exist.